New Horizons v14.0920 ENG v2.0 (Satshanti) Bug Reports

Добавлено: Сб Ноя 29, 2014 16:56     Заголовок сообщения: New Horizons v14.0920 ENG v2.0 (Satshanti) Bug Reports

This is the thread to report all game and text related errors and bugs for the English v2.x release of New Horizons mod v14.0920.

Use this thread only for errors that affect gameplay, or when text displayed somewhere in the game is either wrong or not displaying properly:

Are there funny characters in the text that shouldn't be there?
Does a title not fit with the text underneath it?
Does a text or a title clearly show wrong information or nothing at all?
You get the idea! Report these cases here...

There shouldn't be any real game-playing bugs in it, other than possibly a tiny few that were already present in the Russian release.
Most potential bugs in this English version will be text-based, and will have found their way in through the translation process.

Don't report any language-based errors here, like spelling, grammar, missing characters and term suggestions.
These are not crucial and will slowly be corrected by me in subsequent versions as I discover them while playing.
If they disturb you however, feel free to report them in the original ongoing translation thread.

Thank you...

Добавлено: Сб Ноя 29, 2014 17:56     Заголовок сообщения: Re: New Horizons v14.0920 ENG v2.0 (Satshanti) Bug Reports

First of all, thanks for all your hard work


To test unit spells & descriptions, I am using advanced savegame https://www.dropbox.com/s/xcsjtxyoa459pvg/Alkaryl%20L30.7z?dl=0

After entering dark elf site, unit spells lack descriptions:

/278 /282 /283
/284 /285 /286

North of your stronghold, fourth ring, site "Guards of Ages": Unit spells lack descriptions

Fairy dragon spells
e.g.

Elemental Mistress
e.g.

Последний раз редактировалось: bavarian kid (Сб Ноя 29, 2014 19:29), всего редактировалось 2 раз(а)

Добавлено: Сб Ноя 29, 2014 19:01     Заголовок сообщения:

Missing descriptions



Wrong descriptions


Последний раз редактировалось: bavarian kid (Сб Ноя 29, 2014 19:23), всего редактировалось 1 раз

Добавлено: Сб Ноя 29, 2014 19:02     Заголовок сообщения:

Thanks, kid, that was a sneaky one. There were two bugs in ability.txt, the first one was an added # at no. 234 and then a missing # at 304, so all abilities I checked were working fine, with the exception of the ones between 234 and 304, among them the ones you listed. I've placed a patch in the release thread. Thanks a lot!

Добавлено: Сб Ноя 29, 2014 19:14     Заголовок сообщения:

Thanks again, kid, you're the best. I'm really glad you could catch these as fast as you did.
Two missing hashes this time. These are so easy to oversee!
Patch version 2.02 has been uploaded, which should fix the buildings issue.

Добавлено: Сб Ноя 29, 2014 19:29     Заголовок сообщения:

FYI, bavarian kid, and hopefully you won't discover any more of these errors but if you do, you only ever need to show me the lowest and highest number you see in the windows. All the screenshots of the faulty ability texts fall within the range I mentioned two posts up, between 234 and 273. It will save you time having to upload all the images.

Добавлено: Вт Dec 02, 2014 2:11     Заголовок сообщения:

Your editor inserted a Unicode BOM in every Diplomacy file.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark

I don't think the game executable can deal with Unicode. Strange things might happen.


Regards.

Добавлено: Вт Dec 02, 2014 2:42     Заголовок сообщения:

In Diplomacy, your editor inserted UTF-8 encodings for the angle quotes (aka guillemets)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillemet

In other words, it inserted 0xC2 0xAB instead of 0xAB
which will display as В« (in Eador's CP1251) instead of « (NOTE: that's not the roman B, it's the Cyrillic Ve)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ve_%28Cyrillic%29

(Same problem for the right angle bracket)


Regards.

Добавлено: Вт Dec 02, 2014 3:17     Заголовок сообщения:

In Quest.txt, you replaced "quest" with "task" (as in "A Goblin gave your hero the following task").
IMHO, "task" sounds mundane/trivial compared to "quest". Granted some of these "quests" are not really epic, but still...
Regards.

Добавлено: Вт Dec 02, 2014 3:33     Заголовок сообщения:

In Ritual.txt, you added a lot of new lines (some empty, some containing only slashes).
Do these serve a purpose? (Such as spacing within in-game text boxes)

Basically you scrapped all my translations in this file... grumble...
I'll take a closer look when I have more time.

Regards.

Добавлено: Вт Dec 02, 2014 3:39     Заголовок сообщения:

In Site.txt

18. Заброшенный храм
#Этот храм давно заброшен, наверняка здесь осталось что-то ценное от его прежних хозяев.#
#This temple has long been abandoned. Something valuable surely must have remained after its former keepers.#

Why did you snip the "Этот храм давно заброшен" part?
(This temple has long been abandoned.)

Regards.

Добавлено: Вт Dec 02, 2014 3:57     Заголовок сообщения:

In Skill.txt

/13 Combat is incorrect, should be
Level 1: Precise Strike +2, Parry +2
Level 2: Precise Strike +1, Parry +2
Level 3: Precise Strike +2, Parry +2
Level 4: Precise Strike +1, Parry +2
Level 5: Precise Strike +2, Parry +2

/15 Magic Power
/20 Wand Master
/26 Pathfinding
have extraneous spaces inserted.

In /20 Wand Master
You use "Wand Firing" but ability #994 is still named "Wand Mastery"

/27 Diplomacy
I think "Opens additional opportunities during negotiations." was better than "Opens up more opportunities at negotiations."
(Maybe space constrained?)

Regards.

Добавлено: Вт Dec 02, 2014 4:13     Заголовок сообщения:

In ability.txt you used character 0x92 ’ (curved quote) in 5 instances.
For consistency, I would use the apostrophe ' (character 0x27)
Regards.

Добавлено: Вт Dec 02, 2014 4:31     Заголовок сообщения:

There's are a few "Drows" in hint.txt

Several descriptions in medal.txt are incorrect

"Increases upkeep by +5 gold." The +5 is redundant (and also inconsistent with "Increases morale by 6")

/2 Medal for Resilience = forgot defense
/3 Order of the Marksman = the actual names are Precise Shot and Ranged Attack (if you didn't change them)
/5 Medal for Zeal = wrong upkeep
/6 Mercenary Badge (I think my translation is better)
/11 Medal for Agility = wrong upkeep, ranged defense

IMHO, this file should be automatically generated from parsing medal.var

Добавлено: Вт Dec 02, 2014 4:44     Заголовок сообщения:

message.txt

+81. Campaign, surrender to the Destroyer #You became the Overlord of Eador.

Don't know if it matters, but you deleted a newline before "#You became the Overlord of Eador."

races.txt

"The most common race on any shard." was better than "Humans are the race most widespread on all shards."

tutorial.txt

Stray question mark at the beginning of the file.

15. Garrison, Description
You deleted "At the top right you can see the units available for hire." (справа сверху - доступные для найма воины.)
why?

85. Spell Circles
should not have been modified

87. Invading a Shard 1
removed text... on purpose?

114. Party Morale
Looks like this one got mangled to
114. #The composition of the party influences units' morale.

Regards.

Добавлено: Вт Dec 02, 2014 12:30     Заголовок сообщения:

Boon, thank you for your extensive reporting. I will look into all these separate issues one by one, but to comment on some of them in a general way:

On the UTF BOM: the only way I could get my translation program to read cyrillic characters and match up the TM in the alignment process, was to convert all files to UTF with a BOM. When translated, I then export the files as plain text again into Windows Cyrillic 1251. At first I thought this wouldn't make a difference, so I used the default export setting, and I think for many files it doesn't matter, but as you mention yourself, in all English text with guillemets and apostrophies, a B and a question mark get added respectively. So I'll have a look at the diplomacy files to see if they need to be re-issued.

On the "task" for "quest" and the "drow" and some other things: these are not "my" translations. In fact, when I spotted these, I changed quite a few tasks into quests and drow into dark elves or Alvari, but you must remember that most of the text in this release was not actually translated by me, but was either already part of vanilla Eador, or was translated that way by Drakon and his team. I didn't go through all of the text that was automatically taken over from previous translations, as that would have taken too long. Only now, while playing it, do I make notes of things that could be improved and I change those. So thanks for your tips.

About the empty lines and slashes: I decided to translate all the units completely, but with some files, where Drakon had already decided to reduce the amount of text to the bare essential and skip the funny quotes, I stuck with his version. But because the translation then has much less sentences than the original, the alignment program had troubles allocating language pairs, so in order to make sure that next time these are also automatically translated, I translated the last few sentences of an entry with a slash. These don't show up in the game.

And about changing (often shortening) certain sentences, that's indeed about fitting a text into a frame. I'd rather have a sentence that doesn't flow as well, than a sentence part of which is not visible at all. That can't be helped. I noticed that English just takes up much more space than Russian does, and again, some of these were older translations.

I'm sure it'll be absolutely perfect eventually, and because I also insert each little change into the translation database, all of it will come out exactly like that in future versions.

Thanks!

Добавлено: Вт Dec 02, 2014 18:51     Заголовок сообщения:


Made them all quests now, rather than tasks. Good call!

See above, the slashes don't appear in game, and only serve the purpose of ensuring these entries will be automatically translated next time. The translation software doesn't allow a translation unit to be empty, so I had to fill it with at least one character, hence one slash per superfluous sentence.

I didn't, but for some strange reason, the software did. I suspect what happened, but too complicated to explain. Fixed it.

That's great, well done. Again, I know how that error happened, and it was mine, but easy to make. Important fix! Thanks.

fixed

This was all automatic, but in skill.txt Мастер жезла is translated as "Wand Master" and Выстрел жезла as "Wand Firing". In ability.txt and ability_num.var #96 it is called something different again, Владение жезлом, which was translated as "Wand Mastery", but you're right, it would make more sense to use "Wand Firing" here as well, so I've changed that.

Yes, I had to change that text to fit the frame. I've now changed it to "Provides more opportunities at negotiations."

Hmmm, one of those strange things happening while converting from and to different character encoding, I assume. Thanks, fixed that.

Changed them into dark elves

Fixed most of them, but could not find anything wrong with /5 and / 11 wrong upkeep (and ranged defense). They are the same as the Russian original. Please clarify.

It didn't matter much in this case, that's why I hadn't spotted it. It was an alignment issue that in other cases have led to a more serious error. Fixed it.

I agree. Must have been another alignment issue that I had to fix by just translating the missing bit on the spot. Changed it back.

Most of these happened due to alignment issues, but have fixed most of them.

Thank you very much, Boon, for finding and reporting all of these errors. There's something to be said for file comparison and parsing, a different kind of automation than I've used, but obviously very useful.

Will upload a new patch soon...

Добавлено: Ср Dec 03, 2014 1:48     Заголовок сообщения:


medal.var provides the definitive numbers.

/5
Name: Medal for Zeal;
GoldSpent: 4

My translation used to say "Increases upkeep by 4 gold" but 2.04 says "Increases upkeep by +5 gold"

/11 Sorry, I read the diff backwards! I had it wrong, and you had it right...

Once you post the next patch, I'm considering uploading var and Text to github, so that anyone can easily track modifications and share improvements (open source development).

Regards.

Добавлено: Ср Dec 03, 2014 11:19     Заголовок сообщения:


I'm not a developer, although I'm not a complete newbie either. When I was young I learned Pascal at college and learned Basic for fun on a Sinclair Spectrum. Now you should be able to deduct my age. And later in life I taught myself PHP and created my own website practically from scratch. Still, that was all just dabbling, and I have no experience with github, so I wonder how that would work, also in combination with the use of my translation database. I guess they would have to be maintained separately in parallell then? Will post patch 2.06 later today. Discovered a few more minor errors that should be fixed, and I guess we'll keep on discovering small glitches in the next few weeks, as the game is being played and all events and level ups are being experienced.

Добавлено: Чт Dec 04, 2014 4:24     Заголовок сообщения:

Thanks so much for this release! A couple comments from playing 2.04:

In the "dragonroot" random event dialog, when I select "plow the land", I don't see any further dialog text. Previously I would get a message about the province income increasing by X amount per turn. And I think the province income is not increasing.

An old bug in the texts: in the casino, when you go to the exchanger, you are asked "What do you want to exchange?", but really the question should be "What do you want to receive?" That is, if you answer the question "gold", then you get asked how many gems you want to exchange into gold. Alternatively you could swap the answers "gold" and "gems" and leave the question as is.

Cheers,
Wayne