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I've started looking at the event cycle you described. How would you propose fixing it?

I have no idea, according to Maksim we should just leave it.

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I've started a campaign. Some parts of the tutorial could be improved (grammar, mostly) but I'm not sure it's worth the effort.

Yes, I also had a look in the past and decided it's not worth the effort.

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I don't like the word "demesne". I'm considering changing it everywhere to "capital" (~70 occurrences, most of them in Inner_Build.txt). What do you think?

Great idea! I never liked "demesne" either. I'll change it in the database and update it with a next patch.

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In the statistics screen, the count for "Into the Past" uses is translated "Reversions" (Russian: Возвраты в прошлое).
Are these translation any better/clearer? Reloads, Rewinds, Reboots, Retries, Backward Jumps.
What do you think? (Entry 396, phrases.var -- cf. also previous entry)

Well, reversions is not wrong, but yes, I would also rather use in order of preference: rewinds, reloads, retries, reversions. Don't much like reboots or backward jumps.

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Long descriptions of skills level progression do not fit on a single line. (The cutoff seems to be ~45 characters.) Ideally, I'd expand the text box, but I think we need the source for that. Another option is to shorten the descriptions (yet another is to do nothing).

For example, in Text/Skill.txt

Код:

-Level 1: Initiative +1, Ranged Defense +1, Resistance +1
-Level 2: Initiative +1, Ranged Defense +1, Defense +1
-Level 3: Initiative +1, Speed +1, Resistance +1
-Level 4: Initiative +1, Ranged Defense +1, Defense +1
-Level 5: Initiative +1, Speed +1, Resistance +1#
+L1: Init +1, Ranged Def +1, Resistance +1
+L2: Init +1, Ranged Def +1, Defense +1
+L3: Init +1, Speed +1, Resistance +1
+L4: Init +1, Ranged Def +1, Defense +1
+L5: Init +1, Speed +1, Resistance +1#

What do you think? Is it worth it? (Might do it only locally if you don't like it.)

I like it in principle, but don't like the use of L1 or Init. If the maximum is 45 characters, how about:
Lvl 1: Initiative, Ranged Def & Resistance +1
Lvl 2: Initiative Ranged Def & Defense +1
Lvl 3: Initiative, Speed & Resistance +1
Lvl 4: Initiative, Ranged Def & Defense +1
Lvl 5: Initiative, Speed & Resistance +1#

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/552
Name: Current power of the spell;

/553
Name: Current duration of the spell;

These are too long and span multiple lines.
I'll try "Spell Power" and "Spell Duration" locally.

What file is this? Would "Actual spell power" and "Actual spell duration" be short enough? I think using "current" or "actual" is important to avoid any misinterpretation.

Thanks for all of the above, Boon. I'm glad you're polishing up Eador to a shine. I've been really enjoying the game these past weeks. Funny enough, I can't make myself start a custom shard to test all the available features. I'm still slowly progressing through the campaign, earning every little improvement the hard way. Smile

Still, I might give up at some point. I've only done 10 shards now, and I'm sure I've only reached 10 or 15% into the campaign, still only getting average sized shards and have only met Oinor and Beleth so far. Smile

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I don't like the word "demesne". I'm considering changing it everywhere to "capital" (~70 occurrences, most of them in Inner_Build.txt). What do you think?

Great idea! I never liked "demesne" either. I'll change it in the database and update it with a next patch.

Cool.

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Well, reversions is not wrong, but yes, I would also rather use in order of preference: rewinds, reloads, retries, reversions. Don't much like reboots or backward jumps.

I like "Rewinds" too. The problem with these translations is: how does someone new to the concept (of jumping back one turn "Into the Past") know that we are referring to that concept? (The game has no Reload mechanism, but this seems to be the closest fit...) Rewinds sounds nice and somewhat cryptic, Reloads is more mundane and somewhat more understandable. Let's go with Rewinds then? (Unless someone wants to suggest something else?)

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I think this would have to be done for all skills for consistency?
I'll write a quick script to find all lines longer than 45 chars to see the impact of the line-wrapping.

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What file is this? Would "Actual spell power" and "Actual spell duration" be short enough? I think using "current" or "actual" is important to avoid any misinterpretation

phrases.var

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Thanks for all of the above, Boon. I'm glad you're polishing up Eador to a shine.

Wish I could do more, but I'll have to convince Jazz Wink

I have some nice HTML spreadsheet gizmo I need to polish too; I think hardcore planners will enjoy it.

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Hmmm, for the record, I tried this:

Код:

Lvl 1: Inititative/Ranged Def/Resistance +1
Lvl 2: Inititative/Ranged Def/Defense +1
Lvl 3: Inititative/ Speed /Resistance +1
Lvl 4: Inititative/Ranged Def/Defense +1
Lvl 5: Inititative/ Speed /Resistance +1

which is still one character too long... (So it seems this text box is only 42 characters wide)

I didn't like how it was displayed, I will try this formatting instead:

Код:

Lvl 1: Init +1, Ranged Def +1, Resist +1
Lvl 2: Init +1, Ranged Def +1, Defense +1
Lvl 3: Init +1, Speed +1, Resist +1
Lvl 4: Init +1, Ranged Def +1, Defense +1
Lvl 5: Init +1, Speed +1, Resist +1

(I looked up some AD&D character sheets, and they do use "Init" as an abbreviation for Initiative, so it's not unheard of...)

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Код:

Lvl 1: Init +1, Ranged Def +1, Resist +1
Lvl 2: Init +1, Ranged Def +1, Defense +1
Lvl 3: Init +1, Speed +1, Resist +1
Lvl 4: Init +1, Ranged Def +1, Defense +1
Lvl 5: Init +1, Speed +1, Resist +1

(I looked up some AD&D character sheets, and they do use "Init" as an abbreviation for Initiative, so it's not unheard of...)

Yes, this looks quite neat, but how do you get those comma's vertically aligned within the game?

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Код:

Lvl 1: Init +1, Ranged Def +1, Resist +1
Lvl 2: Init +1, Ranged Def +1, Defense +1
Lvl 3: Init +1, Speed +1, Resist +1
Lvl 4: Init +1, Ranged Def +1, Defense +1
Lvl 5: Init +1, Speed +1, Resist +1

(I looked up some AD&D character sheets, and they do use "Init" as an abbreviation for Initiative, so it's not unheard of...)

Yes, this looks quite neat, but how do you get those comma's vertically aligned within the game?

The game uses fixed-size fonts, so what you see is what you get.
I'll post a screen-shot tonight.
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v2.23: small bug in description of the spell "Hard as Stone", the word "decreases" should be "increases".

Cheers, Wayne

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v2.23: small bug in description of the spell "Hard as Stone", the word "decreases" should be "increases".

Thanks, Wayne. I'll fix that in the next patch.

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Sat,

I discussed quest.var with Ket (quest #22 with the %s specifier in the Name) but he doesn't remember the details.
My guess is that this quest works for several different scrolls, and the %s is replaced by the actual scroll in question (chosen at random).
If I'm right, then omitting %s will not crash, but it will lose some information (the scroll name probably).
How about changing the quest Name to Scroll %s; like the Russian version?

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As far as Skills.txt is concerned, I have compiled a list of all the lines longer than 42 characters:
(There are 44 such lines.)

Код:

$ grep ^L Skill.txt | while read L; do if [ ${#L} -gt 42 ]; then echo "$L"; fi; done
Level 1: Gold Upkeep -10~, Gems -5~, Siege +10
Level 2: Gold Upkeep -10~, Gems -5~, Siege +10
Level 3: Gold Upkeep -10~, Gems -5~, Siege +10
Level 4: Gold Upkeep -10~, Gems -5~, Siege +20
Level 5: Gold Upkeep -10~, Gems -5~, Siege +30#
Level 3: Initiative +1, Stamina +1, Mobility +1
Level 5: Initiative +1, Stamina +2, Mobility +1#
Level 3: Hit Points +3, Stamina +1, Regeneration +1
Level 5: Hit Points +5, Stamina +2, Regeneration +1#
Level 1: Spell Duration +1, Recuperation +1
Level 2: Spell Duration +1, Recuperation +1
Level 4: Spell Duration +1, Recuperation +2
Level 1: Strength of Summoned Creatures +2, Summoning Range +1
Level 2: Strength of Summoned Creatures +2, Summoning Range +1
Level 3: Strength of Summoned Creatures +2, Summoning Range +1
Level 4: Strength of Summoned Creatures +2, Summoning Range +1
Level 5: Strength of Summoned Creatures +2, Summoning Range +1#
Level 1: Hero Resistance +1, Target Resistance -1
Level 2: Hero Resistance +1, Target Resistance -1
Level 3: Hero Resistance +1, Target Resistance -1
Level 4: Hero Resistance +1, Target Resistance -1
Level 5: Hero Resistance +1, Target Resistance -1#
Level 1: Experience Gained +10~, 1st circle Spell
Level 2: Experience Gained +10~, 1st circle Spell
Level 3: Experience Gained +10~, 2nd circle Spell
Level 4: Experience Gained +10~, 3rd circle Spell
Level 5: Experience Gained +10~, 4th circle Spell#
Level 1: Initiative +1, Wand Firing +1, Ammo +1
Level 4: Initiative +1, Wand Firing +2, Ammo +1
Level 5: Initiative +1, Wand Firing +2, Energy Control +2#
Level 1: Power +1, skeleton can stay, +10~ hit points per turn
Level 2: Power +1, 1st rank undead can stay, +10~ hit points per turn
Level 3: Power +2, 2nd rank undead can stay, +10~ hit points per turn
Level 4: Power +1, 3rd rank undead can stay, +10~ hit points per turn
Level 5: Power +2, vampire can stay, 10~ hit points per turn#
Level 1: Initiative +1, Ranged Defense +1, Resistance +1
Level 2: Initiative +1, Ranged Defense +1, Defense +1
Level 3: Initiative +1, Speed +1, Resistance +1
Level 4: Initiative +1, Ranged Defense +1, Defense +1
Level 5: Initiative +1, Speed +1, Resistance +1#
Level 2: Exploration +5, Allows to raise a false alarm
Level 3: Exploration +5, Allows to poison water supplies
Level 4: Exploration +10, Allows to create panic
Level 5: Exploration +10, Scouting and Sabotage 50~ cheaper#

I think we need to make smart use of abbreviations: (if we want one line per level)
Hit Points -> HP
Resistance -> Res or Resist
Defense -> Def
Initiative -> Init
Level -> Lvl
Recuperation -> Recup
Experience -> XP
Exploration -> Explore ??

What do you think? Other suggestions for abbreviations?

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Very minor issue: unit names in Drow site do not fit

Drow site from https://www.dropbox.com/s/xcsjtxyoa459pvg/Alkaryl%20L30.7z?dl=0

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Please fix typo in spell "Summon Water Elemental" (120). "Ice Chunk" instead of "Ice Cnunk"

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Thanks, bavarian kid, I'll implement these in the next patch.

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As far as Skills.txt is concerned, I have compiled a list of all the lines longer than 42 characters:
(There are 44 such lines.)

Код:

The abbreviations look good, although I still don't much like Init, Explore and Recup. In the case of the latter, I think if you shrink Level to Lvl and if I counted correctly, Recuperation can stay as it is.
You could change "Allows to" into "Can". I think we can't avoid reducing Initiative and Resistance, but for the latter I'd then use Resist rather than Res, if that fits.

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I guess correct alternative answer should be "did you try to complain to the inquisition" Smile

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Language sounds a bit strange. However, I am not a native speaker, so I might be wrong Very Happy

e.g. it keeps "the" ancient treasures - or the sequence issue in the second sentence. I guess "It will be difficult to defeat" is better.

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Very minor issue: unit names in Drow site do not fit

Drow site from https://www.dropbox.com/s/xcsjtxyoa459pvg/Alkaryl%20L30.7z?dl=0

Open dialog.var -- line 187.
Change 'has approached' to 'approaches', it buys you the extra line needed Wink

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Language sounds a bit strange. However, I am not a native speaker, so I might be wrong Very Happy

e.g. it keeps "the" ancient treasures - or the sequence issue in the second sentence. I guess "It will be difficult to defeat" is better.

Text/Site.txt:275

Original text:
#Древнее Зло, давно обосновавшееся здесь, наверняка хранит и древние сокровища. Вот только завладеть ими будет сложно.#

Current translation:
#Ancient evil has settled here for a long time and certainly it keeps the ancient treasures. To defeat it will be difficult.#

Alternative translation:
Ancient evil settled here long ago and certainly hoarded ancient treasures. Defeating this foe will be difficult.

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Ancient evil that long dwells here must be guarding the ancient treasure. But claiming this hoard will be difficult.
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Here's a draft of my changes:
http://eador.online.fr/Skill.txt

/17 Summoning and /21 Necromancy are still over-sized.

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Here's a draft of my changes:
http://eador.online.fr/Skill.txt
/17 Summoning and /21 Necromancy are still over-sized.

Jazz will soon release official fix 1 for 14.1228, so besides translating those changes, I have also fixed most of the issues reported in this thread so far, including the skill progressions.
I have adopted most of your suggestions, but have taken the liberty of making some changes I feel are for the better as well, for instance:

/17 Summoning:
Lvl 1: Summoning Strength +2, Range +1
Lvl 2: Summoning Strength +2, Range +1
Lvl 3: Summoning Strength +2, Range +1
Lvl 4: Summoning Strength +2, Range +1
Lvl 5: Summoning Strength +2, Range +1#

/18 Thaumaturgy
Lvl 1: Resistance Hero +1, Target -1
Lvl 2: Resistance Hero +1, Target -1
Lvl 3: Resistance Hero +1, Target -1
Lvl 4: Resistance Hero +1, Target -1
Lvl 5: Resistance Hero +1, Target -1#

I think this is fine, because there's a more detailed description of the skills above the list anyway.

I had already significantly shortened /21 Necromancy while working on 14.0920, and I also can't think of anything to make this shorter without losing crucial information.

Another thing: I have decided to stick with Reversions for now, the reason being that this term has been used since the very beginning, and if you Google "Eador reversions" you get a lot of information about the let's say somewhat unusual and irritating save game system and how it works. If we would now suddenly change the term, that would create even more confusion. It's not a big deal IMHO. The term is a bit unusual but not incorrect.

I will release patch 2.3 as soon as the Russian version has been released.